When you’re too busy for a plan B
Roh-Johnson knows the numbers are stacked against her, but she’s approaching her faculty job hunt with a mix of optimism, passion for her chosen career and a healthy dose of dread.
A nearly yearlong timeline is standard for the faculty job hunt, and postdocs have to walk a fine line when determining whether they’re ready to go on the market. They need a certain number of publications, preferably in prestigious journals, which takes time — sometimes a lot of time. But their funding is limited to defined, short-term fellowships.
This year, Roh-Johnson wasn’t quite ready for the “real deal” faculty search of sending out several dozen applications — she’s still working on a publication and has a year of funding left to support her postdoc work — but she put out a few feelers to her “dream jobs,” she said.
She doesn’t have a backup plan for what she’ll do if she doesn’t land one of those rare faculty jobs, Roh-Johnson said. Any plan B would require too much time away from her focus on applying for faculty positions.
But it’s not because Roh-Johnson doesn’t have her eyes open — in fact, she knows she’s in an even more precarious position than some because her husband, Dr. Jarrod Johnson, is a postdoc at Seattle’s Center for Infectious Disease Research and also wants a faculty job. Roh-Johnson and her spouse face what’s (not so) jokingly referred to as academia’s two-body problem, where both members of the couple are faculty hopefuls.
The relatively few faculty positions open each year are scattered at universities and other academic research institutes — like the Hutch — throughout the country. With the exception of certain academic research clusters in places like Boston, New York and the Bay Area, many of those job openings are not within commuting distance of each other.
What will Roh-Johnson and her husband do if they don’t find a reasonable solution to their personal two-body problem? That’s TBD, too, she said. They know it will be a tough decision if one of them lands a dream job and the other doesn’t, or if they both get dream offers — on opposite sides of the country. But even though she has no idea how they’ll face that decision if it comes up — whose career would get priority? Who would be the “trailing spouse”? The couple doesn’t see any other path than the one they’re treading, Roh-Johnson said.
“We’re going to do the best we can as individuals, cast a wide net and hope for close positions,” she said. “Nobody is willing to step down on their goals … If we both didn’t try, nobody would be happy.”
Finding a fit in a competitive market
Although postdoctoral research, and academic research in general, might seem like a career world unto itself, the characteristics that make a postdoc successful are not so different from those in any job, according to Peterson. In talking about previous Fred Hutch postdocs who’ve impressed her, Peterson uses words that wouldn’t seem out of place on a general career advice website: “outside the box,” innovative, strategic, networking.
Another word also applies to a successful postdoc.
“Luck,” Peterson said. “Lucking out on getting a good project that gives you good results that ends up with good papers. Skill, of course, is part of it too. But it’s the skill and luck combined.”
Overall, though, a successful postdoc “is a person who is going to be thinking about their career path,” she said. “Being thoughtful about where do I want to go, and how exactly how am I going to get there?”
As goal-oriented as Roh-Johnson is, she does sometimes entertain doubts. When asked why she wants a research faculty position, she hesitated.
“I sometimes ask myself that,” she said. “I don’t want the answer to be, because I don’t know anything else.”
Her response is partly a reflection of the often-insulated nature of the academic pipeline — Roh-Johnson said she loves the freedom of academic research, but she doesn’t know enough about the for-profit research world to say whether a career in industry would strip those freedoms most important to her.
But in talking with her, it’s also clear how deeply Roh-Johnson feels about her work. She’s currently using the see-through zebrafish as a model to study the beginning stages of melanoma metastasis.
Roh-Johnson gestured animatedly when describing her broader vision for the research team she hopes to someday lead — to understand why cells behave the way they do in the complicated context of their environment, be it in a healthy developing animal or in cancer.
Roh-Johnson said she loves many aspects of research, not just the parts where she carries out experiments at the lab bench or in the fish room. She even likes writing grant applications, which is lucky, because science faculty can spend close to half their time applying for funding.
“I like thinking about what’s not known,” she said. “I get deep into the subject and ask, what can I do that others can’t?”
Last fall, dipping a toe into the job hunt, Roh-Johnson had planned to apply for just one job — a position she really, really wanted. She didn’t even get an interview. She was disappointed, but not too surprised, she said — she knew she needed to publish her recent work before having a fighting chance.
But then people she knows at two other institutes contacted Roh-Johnson and asked her to apply to faculty jobs they had open, and both groups flew her out for interviews. She was surprised — and gratified — at their interest, she said.
“I thought, there’s a cycle, you apply, you either get the position or you don’t, and you move on. But what I’m learning is that a lot of it is networking.”
She didn’t get the first job she interviewed for. But the second organization is so interested in her that they’ve recently flown her out for a second interview and invited her husband for an interview for a second faculty position — a solution to their two-body problem that almost never happens, Roh-Johnson said.
In some ways she realizes this opportunity would make their lives much easier, in terms of reducing tough choices. But it also presents a new source of stress: she’s not sure yet if the position is the best fit for her specific research goals.
“It’s not just about having my own lab, where I can say, ‘Oh, I have the Roh-Johnson lab’… I want to do the research that I want to do, so I want to find a place where I feel like I can achieve the goals I’ve set out for myself,” she said. “In a field where you really can’t be picky, you’re all of a sudden wanting to be really picky. So what do you do?”