In this Q&A, Shadman discusses his vision for the future of immunotherapy at Fred Hutch.
What is your assessment of the current state of immunotherapy?
Cellular immunotherapy treatments, especially CAR T cells, are effective and have improved the clinical outcomes significantly but there is still room for improvement. As their safety profile improves, we are able to bring them to more patients including to those in earlier lines of treatment. As a result, the number of patients we see referred to us for CAR T-cell therapy with lymphoma, myeloma, acute lymphoblastic leukemia and chronic lymphocytic leukemia is increasing.
For patients who are candidates for CAR T-cell therapy, we need to make sure they have universal access and timely access. One of the challenges we have in the field is to get CAR T cells to patients who need it and do it fast. We continue to work to make that possible for our patients, and we are expanding significantly in our capacity to do this. When it comes to expanding access, there are patients in the community who we never hear about because the treating physician or patient may feel they don’t have the means. We believe that close engagement with our community [oncology] colleagues in order to provide support and education is critical to make sure all patients, including those with limited resources and underrepresented backgrounds, are presented with this option.
We need to reach out to our community partners to have a good understanding of barriers at the community level. As we are making sure underrepresented patients have the same access, we need to do research at the community level to understand the barriers and roadblocks in getting those patients in for treatment.
Can you talk about the types of patients who come to Fred Hutch for immunotherapy?
We get two types of patients: those treated at Fred Hutch who are referred to us and those who come from outside. With both of these groups, we need to get them in quickly to CAR T. Patients who get CAR T need to stay at Fred Hutch for weeks. When I get a call from a community doctor about a patient, it can take weeks to get them in to start the treatment process. There are many reasons for this: the initial assessment required and our availability to do that, the process of getting a patient approved by insurance, the logistics of moving to Seattle for a few months with a caregiver, to name a few.
There is room for improvement at all these levels. We have started a new inpatient service with a main focus on patients undergoing immunotherapy treatments. We are also set to start a new outpatient team for cellular immunotherapy in a few months.